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ZlikovacДата: Понедельник, 12.12.2011, 23:41 | Сообщение # 46
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Четник sorry for delay! Give me little time for picture, no problem, i will publish here. I must download him from croatian forum, im a Serb.
ZNG= Zbor Narodne Garde=Assembly People Guard=Сборка народна (нацоналный) гвардия. I hope you understud my translate.
In fact, this Guardian status is only on paper, it not like in Russian or some other army. Its not elite forces.
Its much closer to some para military unit, by equipment, chain of command, discipline. Mostly formed from local Croat population.
Very notorious, and was no isolated cases "shooted by spot" for both side, Serbian and ZNG. Something similar like SS and NKVD.
Dont mix him with Guardian unit of Croatian army in late stage of war. Picture with this ZNG parols it mostly from early stages of war.

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Make diferences from pictures, which side is on a picture, is possible only by cammo, not from modification.
Almoust all this T-34 is heritage from JNA, but sometime we have idiotic front line mod:
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w4/t34_37.jpg Serb tank, some kind of rubber linnin?
On much more picture you can find tires, gears and similar stuf on side of tanks.
Look on second picture, ok, its T-55, but this is a modifications what i try to explain
http://www.oklop.net23.net/grobljetenkova/gal-gt175.html
Some pictures is here too:
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum....bdff5c9
Picture from Croatian garnisone, you can see diferent war cammo styles and sometime mixed wheels style:
http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd....m=39038
Good exemples for mixed style of wheels:
http://www.armorama.com/modules....=154610
There is so many picture, maybe you can find here some interested, over 50 pages
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums....1
For pure modeling look on this translated site, its link witch i already post here, but now translated on Russian:
http://translate.google.com/transla....34B.htm
http://translate.google.com/transla....-34.htm

 
ЧетникДата: Вторник, 13.12.2011, 12:15 | Сообщение # 47
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Здраво Драгослав, хвала за одговор smile

I also have a few quiestions for you. Not so long ago I've finished howitzer 2S1 Gvozdika, which I'm going to paint in color of Војска Републике Српске. And wish to drow an the corp some kind of slogans, like "Српска Гарда" or something like that. But I have a difficulties in choosing of color. How do you think, these color + a bit of white will be good?



And also I'm going to construct M-84A fom Tamiya kit and T-55A. But I've chosen interesting prototype yet, for Kosovo or for Војска Републике Српске.

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And one more. I can't understand what is written there. Србиjа до смрти?



Сообщение отредактировал Четник - Вторник, 13.12.2011, 12:21
 
ZlikovacДата: Вторник, 13.12.2011, 21:46 | Сообщение # 48
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Gvozdika? Im very suprised why this model is not much more popular. Only good link for Gvozdika in Serbian sevice is
http://translate.google.com/transla....&u=http its already "translated" page
this slogan is probably just a slogan, be couse real guard unit in VRS was infantry unit; in Serbian army (or JNA in early period of conflict)
only real guard unit was located in Belgrade and this unit is armour-mechanized unit. Im not 100% sure for Gvozdinka, but is assebled by M-84 mainly. Gvozdika on Kosovo is part of some southern garnisone, Pristina or Nis, not from Belgrade, it not located there.
Terms "Garda" or guard is very popular in para forces on all side.
One friend of mine, asked me for real picture of Gvozdika year ago. Im from Serbia, but now i live in Banja Luka, capitol of Republic of Srpska, Bosnia. Banja Luka was in a ex Yugoslavia main center for armour unit and all crew was driled here. I try so many times to come in a old baracks and picture all this past warrior, including some rarity, but i have problem with actual military autority for giving permision.
Look on this two links, it state of this armour:
http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m273/nammeci/Muzej%20Kozara/
http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m273/nammeci/Muzej%20Manjaca/

For T-55 look on this link:
http://translate.google.com/transla....&u=http
It much more atractive for modification, parolas and similar
For M-84, Yugoslav modification of Russian T-72:
http://translate.google.com/transla....m84.htm
Some works and pictures:
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18340&highlight=m84
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum....start=0
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17539&highlight=m84
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7255
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18340
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum....start=0
http://srpskioklop-forum.niceboard.com/t159-m-....vukovar
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17028&highlight=m84

Then you go on http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php
end you must register, but dont use your present nick be cause this site, even is Serbian in fact, have politic
of forbiden all kind of "nacional and racial disturb"????. On one side it ok, but...
Sometime i see biger Serbian in Russia then in Serbia himself!
But in a fact its best serbian modelar site and after registration you must look on:
http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,10516.15.html
http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,10412.0.html
http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,9620.0.html
http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,10600.0.html

If you want modelar part of this story look on:
http://www.hrcappuccino.org/articles/misc/M-84.htm

Look on this, this guy is realy serious M-84 modelar:
http://www.armorama.com/modules....d=10015
Contact him, i know is almoust finish resin M-74 turret
For figures you can contact Anton, he is Russian:
http://www.diorama.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20689

Србиjа до смрти=Serbia till dead

For color, uffffff, maybe one day i find some other solution for SMB, but in this moment solution is only one.
Revel 361 + 10% of white. XF-65 alone is not to good choise.
I sugest you to buy this color, then you can try to mix Tamiya or something.
I wish you luck in mixing, i was dont have.
I hope i was no borring too much.
 
ЧетникДата: Вторник, 13.12.2011, 23:02 | Сообщение # 49
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Zlikovac, Поштован Драгослав, I/m very glad that I found such a good company as you beer

You are right, 2S1 Gvozdika is not much popular, but on these forum are two models of serbian Gvozdika.

This is my model:
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-5369-12

And one more:
http://panzer35.ru/forum/48-4823-1

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this slogan is probably just a slogan, be couse real guard unit in VRS was infantry unit; in Serbian army (or JNA in early period of conflict)

I found this picture and liked the slogan, that's why I decided ti write it on my Gvozdika.

Србиње, 1995


But as you tell me that garda was only infantry unit, I should find the other good slogan. I think that "само слога србина спасава / CCCC" is good enough.

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Gvozdika on Kosovo is part of some southern garnisone, Pristina or Nis, not from Belgrade, it not located there.

Oh, wery useful information. Thanks a lot.

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i live in Banja Luka, capitol of Republic of Srpska, Bosnia

I know the administrative structure of Република Српска. smile As you can understand from my nick name, I'm very interested of Serbia, Republika Srpska and all serbian lands(Kosovo and Kraina).
Now my little son is going to sleep, as well I will give you more detalized answer tomorrow morning.

P.S. This is my first model of serb part
http://panzer35.ru/forum/48-1229-48472-16-1266835140
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ZlikovacДата: Среда, 14.12.2011, 04:25 | Сообщение # 50
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You are welcome biggrin I realy love this forum be cause i can found real monster works and super detailed modeler.
No too much forums equal by quality on net, realy.
When u see how much modification you and Yan was make on this Skifs... Realy good works.
Lets back on a picture. This vehicle is in Srbinje, pre and after war Focha. There was never be any kind of guard, even and para military Arkans Tiger or others. Its a just slogan. I know this area, and this topography is maked by God only for a war. Nearly is location of famous WWII battle on Sutjeska.
Your modes of T-55 looks me on this from one underground barack picture
T-55a in Banja Luka
On majority number of ex Yu T-55s you can see anti radiation lining around turrets lids, be cause its T-55A.
Only one series, from Russia, with 18*** numbers is regular T-55 and dont have this anti radiation linings.

Always keep on your mind, and first check serial number if is visible, or look on this detail.


Сообщение отредактировал Zlikovac - Среда, 14.12.2011, 04:37
 
ЧетникДата: Среда, 14.12.2011, 11:41 | Сообщение # 51
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Zlikovac, Драгослав, a link about M-84 is great
http://translate.google.com/transla....m84.htm
It will help me in modelling of M-84 tenk.

Returning to Gvozdika, honestly saying I have only 3 photo 2S1 from Banja Luka military base, but other from Serbia or Kosovo. Do you have any information of participating 2S1 on the side of bosnian serbs during the war?

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Sometime i see biger Serbian in Russia then in Serbia himself!

It's a pity to hear such sad things sad

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For color, uffffff, maybe one day i find some other solution for SMB, but in this moment solution is only one.
Revel 361 + 10% of white. XF-65 alone is not to good choise.

What is SMB?
Yes, I understand thet XF-65 alone is not good enough, but if it will be mixed with some wthite and buff colour it will be good enough... I hope smile

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Lets back on a picture. This vehicle is in Srbinje, pre and after war Focha. There was never be any kind of guard, even and para military Arkans Tiger or others. Its a just slogan.

So, I have to find some new slogan for my model. Or drawing... or something else interesting.

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On majority number of ex Yu T-55s you can see anti radiation lining around turrets lids, be cause its T-55A.
Only one series, from Russia, with 18*** numbers is regular T-55 and dont have this anti radiation linings.

I think this is a model of 1958 year. But with DShK.

P.S. I have a lot of quiestions for you, but in this thread is discussing T-34, so I propose you to continue our discussion im my thread

http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-5369-13

Thank you for unswering.
Хвала вам пуно за одговоре smile
 
SalityДата: Четверг, 15.12.2011, 22:22 | Сообщение # 52
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Чётник что он сказал про тамиевский XF-56?

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ЧетникДата: Пятница, 16.12.2011, 12:50 | Сообщение # 53
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Sality, Сказал, что сам по себе этот цвет не подходит. Надо замешивать с другими.
 
SalityДата: Суббота, 17.12.2011, 01:12 | Сообщение # 54
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спасибо) я так тоже подумал..

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ZlikovacДата: Суббота, 17.12.2011, 02:41 | Сообщение # 55
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Не стыдиться, если вам нужна информация или помощь, свяжитесь со мной через личное сообщение. Абсолютно никаких проблем.
Четников, кажется, что мы должны открыть больше к сообщению о других танков. cool

С наилучшими пожеланиями

Драгослав
 
JKUBДата: Суббота, 17.12.2011, 02:56 | Сообщение # 56
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Драгослав, может у Вас ест что-нибудь по этой машине на базе Т-34.

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С уважением Игорь и Ольга

Мы называем людей дикарями,лишь по тому,что их занятия отличаются от наших. Бенджамин Франклин.
 
ZlikovacДата: Суббота, 17.12.2011, 17:47 | Сообщение # 57
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Привет JKUB,

Так, где раскопки этой картине? Я думаю, но я не совсем уверен, что Т-34, наряду с некоторыми танков Т-55 изменен, чтобы извлекать и создавать малые понтонные мосты, и был в действии с сербской стороны в боях в районе Дервенте и Сохранить. Дайте мне несколько дней, чтобы проверить с людьми, которые там были.

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SalityДата: Суббота, 17.12.2011, 17:51 | Сообщение # 58
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На мой взгляд, литниковые швы между верхней и нижней частями башни у тебя получились слишком толстые.

переделывая швы, решил переделать всю фактуру брони. И сделал наоборот сначала нанёс слой смеси "двухкомпонентной сварки" и уже пока она не схватилась сверху положил тянутый литник смоченный клеем. Добавил наплыв под большую комбашню и сделал новый номер. Теперь номер меня устраивает полностью)


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ЧетникДата: Среда, 21.12.2011, 20:44 | Сообщение # 59
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Zlikovac, Драгослав, Ја сте написали поруку, проверите овде

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tukramirezДата: Пятница, 23.12.2011, 04:24 | Сообщение # 60
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Разрешите мне "влезть" с вопросиком? :-)

А что могло быть написано на стволе этой тридцатьчетвёрки?

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